Next year, the MCU will be taking a couple of trips to the past to fill in some timeline gaps and explore stories and characters never seen before on the big screen. One of those stories is Black Widow, for which the fans have been clamoring for years after Scarlett Johannson’s first 7 adventures, all as part of a larger ensemble. David Harbour, who was announced to play the Red Guardian at SDCC, recently sat down with to open up about the character and his complex and compelling nature (at least, as much as he could without raising any red spoiler flags from the Marvel brass.)

In the Cold War, the Americans developed nuclear weapons, the Russians developed nuclear weapons. And then the Americans developed Captain America and in response, in retaliation, the Soviets developed the Red Guardian. So in that way, he’s a foil. He has very complicated feelings about this particular thing. But the Soviet Union fell and a lot of things went down with him in particular, and now he’s in a different place in his life. It’s a very interesting character, you get to see all of this. I don’t want to give too much away, but I’ll say that he seemed to me… a certain way, and then I was so surprised that these other things that come out in this character, which is always how it works in these movies. His flaws and who he is is so unique and wonderful, the writing is extraordinary.

Natasha Romanoff’s intense history with the Russians will obviously have a huge impact on the plot of this movie, bringing people back into her life, like the Red Guardian, that made her who she is as as fighter and will undoubtedly shape her into the hero we know and love. With the story reportedly taking place after Captain America: Civil War, Nat will have to dive deep into her bag of tricks as she runs from the law and hides from the world yet again. Black Widow officially comes to theaters on May 1, 2020, and none of the fans can wait for the movie to kick off Phase 4 with a bang!